ah... i dig. i had bryce 4 and it was too slow and the renders weren't as good as i'd hoped. i do better with the vue 4 demo, so i can't wait for the whole program to come in the mail. i have a full screenplay written and i'd like to use vue to try a few scenes in it. are there any movies made with vue available for download? i hear that vue is great for animation but the only animation i see with it is on the e-on website. have any of you used it for a short film yet?