but I was just thinking the other day that there have been an occasion or two where I have copied an image from one of the galleries and played around with it in photoshop putting my own twist to it. Maybe you missed this part of the post...but it sure sounds like someone 'took' an image from the galleries 'for himself/herself'{pretty blatent if ya ask me, or even if ya dont ask me}...and changed it..I see no mention of asking the artist {who's work was 'taken'} if he/she minded... Of course this was for my own use just as a way to play with some post work-- I never posted (or intended to post) such things as my own This line tells me that {at that time} he/she had no 'intention' to post anything that became of said changes.. this also implies that they knew they had no rights to the images...hence not posting it.. Anyway, I don't know if anyone else has done this before, but I thought that perhaps this could make for some sort of contest where someone creates an image and allows others to modify that image and we get to see what people can do with what someone else has started This phrase brings up the other points I {and others} tried to make, about using another artists beginning creations, and see what others could make out of it..suggesting a 'permission given to alter' image. One that CAN be redistributed for all to see. But Dizzie, by putting it on the internet you HAVE given permission for the picture to be downloaded to the person's computer Wrong! Whether you sell that image or not, or use it for your own viewing pleasure, or post it for others to see, it STILL belongs to the artist who created it, and YOU OR ANYONE ELSE have no rights to it unless that artist says you can do such things with his/her artwork. I could care less if you believe me or not, look up the digital copyright laws. In fact you have no right to tell anyone what they can do on their own machines for themselves in private In fact, any artist that discovers his/her artwork was taken without permission,{and finds out who took it} can in fact file suit against the offender. What one does with their own creations is indeed their business alone. * Noone is saying it's okay to redistribute your work.* There were points being made to show a given view/opinions..its one of those things that come up. I can pull any image from the gallery out of my cache If you got those images from this site, without permission from the artist, then you are also in the wrong...even if you never post it. Why does anyone think there is software out there designed to try and 'disable' right-clicking, and so on...those means to which people try and take images off the net...? Just something someone came up with because they were bored? Give me a break! Ask the Admins here if taking images off this site, and out of the galleries is 'ok', or if they will tell you to 'be safe rather than sorry, and ask the artist' There were legitiment reasons for creating software to prevent this..it was created to prevent image theft. You use Poser for instance..the creators of Poser give you permission to create new and wonderful things with their software, and even sell things you make with it..they do not however give you permission to sell their design as your own, or claim it in any way...same applies to images you find here and elsewhere...you have to have permission to copy and use these images for yourself...whether it is reposted, redistributed, sold, or kept to ones self... Just because a person can figure out a way to copy an image, doesnt make it right..'out of sight, out of mind' or "if I dont get caught, then its ok" doesnt apply here.. Apparently Im getting way, way, misunderstood here..Im not attacking anyone here, Im just trying to make my opinion known as far as image theft goes..I apologise if I came across as attacking anyone..I really mean no harm..but as Xoconostle said, it hurts and offends when something is important to you, and it is just 'taken'...Ive been there..and I will fight against it no matter what.

~Jani

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