Still with you but fighting - I found out that the latest Windows patch (SR4) installed on all my Win2k C's... killed 'em dead. Oh they LOOKED ok, until you try and run Poser of Paint Shop Pro or...urgh. So I've been recovering the PC's and now kid is home. I WANT to get the wrinkles right, if on;y because it's something I've already determined to do... and it'd be nice to do wrinkles that go the right way above and below an eye (and hey, it'd be nice to show how little talent you really neeed to do some of this stuff!). Time is as ever my enemy, but I'm determined . Oh - kid is now 2 years old (birthday yesterday) and my, don't they get the hang of presents REALLY WELL even at this stage? . I'm pleased at how well he says "Dinosaur!" (even if sometimes that really should be "Lion"). Cheers, Cliff