Is "free stuff from Vue CD samples" good enough or we need to specifically pinpoint the author? My problem with that is I do not know if the models are really theirs or also free stuff or bought from somewhere. I guess each time I use models from the samples that are not Vue native objects I should include the title of the scene like "pirogue from amazon scene by John Doe: Vue CD samples 2". I think if I use a model in my scene it is a compliment even if I had not credited whoever as I am not claiming it to be mine - the concept of the scene is mine. But if I retextured it and do some nifty tricks on the model and claim it as mine that is something else. I still believe this Vue galleryforum is the best 3D place to hang around and Guitta is doing pretty excellent job of making our place neat and tidy. Let's render more !!!