Yes I would agree with you Spit, but the presentation of the textured item in the image it is used in is a purely a subjective thing, depending on the viewers opinion. I dont understand how that ties in with the difference between a painter painting an item from scratch and somebody including a ready-made item. The latter is like a painter sticking a cut out photo of his item on the canvas. I dont for a minute decry the use of ready made stuff I wouldnt use Vue if I did, but some credit for the end result of the image goes to the Vue creators for the trees and other items in the program, and any extra pre-made items you use. We all have the choice if we want complete credit for everything in our images, thats to learn something like Lightwave, C4D etc, or paint it all to 3D standard in a 2D program. Dave