And the next issue of Computer Arts is supposed to have a review of it so it's probably closer than you think. I think Daz has the right idea not to haunt the forums and tease us like other companies have. I can wait for it, and after all, the first part will be free so we can have a look at it to see if it's what we want before we shell out the money. Daz has delivered Mimic 2.0 so yes, they have delivered software. Marque