Quoll, You're absolutely right, and I think the reason for it is the fact that DAZ are building from zero, with no baggage carried over from a previous version of their app. Naturally, since DAZ has a good track record in other propducts, people are hoping that they'll succeed in doing what CL promised, but obviously didn't do. I'm not trashing poser 5. But there's no denying that it was definitely NOT built 'from the ground up' as CL said it would be. mac