I echo X2000's request for an idea of what Daz Studio cannot do. Even if it's only a preliminary assessment of Beta 1-- they did this to a certain extent on their site. Few people saw the lack of save capability and when this was publically restated, all hell broke loose. It's my understanding that was also taken into consideration by Daz in restructuring the timetable. Whether that means that the first beta will be save enabled or simply that the first beta will be upgraded more quickly than planned I don't know. I do know it was mentioned at PoserPros that it was in the plans to show off the gui at Siggraph but this was scuttled because it isnt ready or to the state they want yet. ALl of this, I think is a sane and reassuring attitude in an industry which is increasingly throwing out half or 3 quarter finished products and then following with the inevitable patch to make them work at all. That Daz isn't aware of this would be naive. After all, some people-- probably not a majority-- were not all that pleased at the number of patches Vicki3 needed. But I think some of this comes with the cost of vastly increasing the sophistication of 3D products. We're not satisfied with hastily textured, flat scenes with Posette anymore. Well, most of us. All I know is, Vicki 3 is barely working in Poser5 and Mike3 is close at hand-- something has got to eventually give. If I was planning releases at Daz, I'd put Studio first. Just because of the uproar that will come with trying to use Vicki3 and Mike 3 together. Ey-yay-yay! Emily