I think the "problem" with Poser nudes is that it's actually harder to put clothes on the figure, (and make it look good) than it is to simply texture a nude figure and add props, hence NVIATWS Personally I like naked women, though somewhat peversely I find I now prefer to look at "fake" naked women rather than the real thing. Seems to me that on the 'net your average nude is more (sub) penthouse than playboy, The images can be very aggressive, which gets tiring after a while. Whereas the TOS here seems to foster a more moderate form of pinup. Which is both familiar, (as most of them still look like Vicky) and comforting, it's interesting to see what she'll get up to next sort of thing, continuity, always good :) But yeah, I'm definately in the "10 second artist" camp, I'm not an artist, I a fiddler, "what does this dial do...?" etc. This is software, not a paintbrush. later jb