Isn't there a demo? I know how you feel about laying the money out, I just got burned on something I got last night, not here but software. Now I have to fax them a statement saying that I am destroying the product, already done because it was really bad, and I have to wait up to a month to get my money back. Daz is very good with customer service, if you are really unhappy with a product they will work with you. Machine is right, you might want to wait until the contest is done to see what can actually be done with it. Machine, was it the guy who does all the Mover animations in Vue that did the gorilla one? Marque