But I want more control than that, and more flexibilty. Ugh, imagine building a roman street in Poser! :-) 3d Studio Max and Maya are fast and easy-to-use too, even with lots and lots of objects in a scene. P5 does not equal that. THere's a bit of fuzz with the textures in both Maya and 3d Studio Max, but that's a small price to pay. :-)