Not crap but needs a fast computer does alot more then poser has a learniong curve most poser 4 users bitchj about because they are too used to the old programs basics,And don't want to buy a new computer to peed the program up so it works well for them. My complaints are about the renderer I can say it5's better then 4 but I was expecting it to be able 3ds embedded texture info based on booliens, Look at this, Sarod's Voyager loaded into pser 5 I was sick when I saw it screw up on reading polygons that are booliend cut in other programs the models were built in, poser 4 could never read them,poser 5 reads some and not others.