Well star it's like this. It's the age old comic routine of little sister casting her line and big brother not paying attention to what she is doing. It kinda looks like a Rapala lure, not sure though. I think you're right on the tree bsteph, I'll take it out. At first I thought it looked okay but then sees that it's too distracting. Thanks Doca, are you and my better half in cahoots? She tells me that all the time. Not sure I want to test the thoery. L Thanks everyone.