Before Corel decided to work on Bryce 5, Eric the first creator of Bryce said, that he had a new complete ready new Bryce to publish. I remember that it was in one of the 3d magazins I read but not sure where it was. He said that he would publish it if Corel stop Bryce. Eric Wengler, right? Anyone has an idea where to find him? Hm...software with heart...yes I remember that I said something similar times ago. Corel lost the ability to create a glow in the eyes of their users, the "WOW" I must have that. Thomas