What's so funny about it is that Dork and Posette needed gobs of work 'out of the box' as well. The difference was that they actually got it. Trav's morphs, Catherina's and Syyd's textures, several clothes makers who I can't remember without digging out Archive CD 019... : Far too many people to name. I've been playing with Judy in an animation project I'm probably way in over my head with, and I've been finding her a nice little mesh to use. Just on a lark, I've tried the BVH files I've downloaded, and Judy is better behaved on many of them than any iteration of Vicky has been (as in her body proportions are apparently closer to the mocapped actor, so there is less distortion at extreme ranges). None of the kiddies are really 'go' out of the box....unless you want clued viewers going 'Oh, That's a stock VickyJudyWhatever!'