Thanks for the nice comments. Yes, Dave, MikePlus was my first product. I've combined MikeMagicEyes into the upgrade. Don't know if I'll be able to get it in for testing before we head out of town next week - so much other stuff to finish before then. I'm not sure what the policy will be on it, but Renderosity has always been really good about letting a product's customers have an upgrade. I'll let you know. Interesting response on Terence; he's got the deepest set eyes. None of these have the eyes moved closer or farther apart, which also gives a different look. I think a one of the best ways to get variety is from different eyebrow textures, and these guys all use the same texture map's brows, just tinted differently. I've always wished some texture master would do one with a bunch of eyebrow shapes that you could paste on the head texture. Maybe just the brow hairs on transparent Photoshop layers, so you could adjust their colors. Carcinogen, I did the same with Mike 2. Used to think it was such a huge file, and just used it to make character morphs for MikeBasic. Then I got Victoria 3 - and a bigger hard drive. I'm really looking forward to Michael 3, but know I'll still need the "slimmer" guys too.