I guess that the P4 people actually pre-dated Micheal and Victoria so that they they actually motivated people to work on them more. I don't think that the first generation of Micheal and Victoria had as much to offer either, but they had morphs that Dork and Posette couldn't touch. I comment you dedicated native Poser people users, you have to really love these "black sheep" to put as much love into them as you do.