Forgot to credit Zarno and his site for the great Zep. He has some really good stuff. Most of it is either dxf or the bryce format. I still have to write the story. It is just starting to jell. That's one great thing about poser. It lets me create the characters that I have been thinking about for years. butch Ps tried to post link to Zarno and couldn't get it to link. I tried cutting and pasting.