I agree with blau that tex maps are kind of a given. I can't believe that Zygote will sell you a new model and not include one tex map with it. I also find it hard to believe that some of the stuff you can d/l in freestuff is 3dsmax export with no tex map and not even uvmapped to be "ready out of the box". The Grand High Master of Textures, Tlaubach, always gave his stuff up for free, and I think that should set the tone for the entire market. Not to suggest we should all be spoiled babies, but Morphs and Tex's have always been readily available and free. Now, a well-crafted model that is damned useful most of the time is worth money. Especially since the software it takes to make them is so expensive, and the ability to use them even harder to come by. Some annoying person is going to tell me that Photoshop is also expensive, and takes time to learn. Okay, mr or mrs annoying, touche', but even a newbie can manipulate existing textures in photo-progs. -Darth