Yep, connatic, You're right. What I didn't realise was that to adjust the shadowcam view, it's the LIGHT settings you use. Now I have that sussed, although it didn't quite solve the problem. I discovered that if I moved the light nearer, like almost in her face, I could set a higher Angle End, increase the light spread and get a better shadow. The pic above is 0 / 140. Much higher than I had before. When I moved the light further away, the opposite happened. To get a shadow, I had to use 0 /20 and got a tiny spread of light. I think it's a disadvantage being a photographer and a poser user. If I shoved a light in a model's face, she'd be blinded, so it never occurred to me to do it in poser. Well, I'm getting there. Thanks for the help. mac