'I've been spending a LOT less on Poser stuff since I started modelling stuff myself- but not because I'm now making stuff I used to buy. It's because I'm now not finding time to do anything much with Poser other than the modelling' Haigan, Exactly!! The only thing I use poser for now is testing whatever my current project is. I've given up downloading Freestuff, never render, never use human figures (except to check scale), and almost never buy anything. I bought vicki 3 for one simple reason. To find out how Readscript worked, (also because, as a broker, DAZ gave me an incredible discount). I used her twice I think, and spent the rest of the time poking around in the files. I suppose what you buy depends on how you use poser. mac