"Thus, you see few 'real women and men' and many bodacious babes and muscular gods." Umm... I don't know of too many babes who have large lips... Why don't poser modelers (not the ones in this forum obviously) pick up a SI Swimsuit Ed. or something similar and take a look at some truly beautiful women. The only girl I know of that has big puffy lips like that is Angelina Jolie... and to me, that detracts from the rest of her face (to which I give many points to her eyes :) ) and maybe, just maybe, Monica Belluci. By the way, is there any FAQ out there that can tell me what each face dial on Victoria 3's face morph pack does?