Sorry for asking questions, and if we misinterpreted you post, there shure would be a polite way of telling us without caps lock and four letter words. If my post was offending you, I apologize, it was not my intention to do so. Did you see the image Mazak posted in this thread? http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=12356&Form.ShowMessage=1361376 EmpressZario posted nice shots of his skin shader here: http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=12356&Form.ShowMessage=1362052 Add some hi-res textures and spend some work on lighting and you should be pretty close to the first shot you posted. To get veins like in the second shot, a hi-res displacement map should do. For the third shot, you'd need to add an environment map to the eyes. But the subsurface scattering you see there is definately there in Poser 5, that's what the skin and velvet nodes are for.