Ah right, les. Now I see where I went wrong. I didn't bother checking the lt2 file. I deleted all the lights and added fresh spots, but still got LIGHT 1, 2, 3. It didn't occur to me to check the file. I was just assuming they were the 3 default lights. That's a good idea having a pz2 with no lights. Saves time. Although, to be quite honest, I'm hoping to avoid lights after I finish these ones. LOL. I haven't much patience for it. Your shadowcams with extra param dials are really good. I think my problem is slightly different though. I really have a grudge against poser lights because they don't behave the way I expect them to. If I use spots when I'm shooting, I have all sorts of tricks to make them do things, and none of these tricks work in poser. Drat! Oh well, I'm almost finished this now. Thanks for the continued interest and help. This thread should be useful to someone in the future. cheers mac