can't tell much from the screenshots eovia have provided... durn, I am really interested in seeing a screenshot showing two things... 1) the new modeling tools in the vertex modeler... I mean, is there a move>normal, or an extrude>region...etc... are there edge tools to compete with even those found in Wings3d... I mean is this really and finally a real modeler or is it still a blast from the past? 2) the new extrude set in the Spline modeler... what is it like, what does it do... can you "box" out something in the spline room now? oh, how I wish I could see if these things have been addressed, and or how they work... whether or not this will really help my modeling or whether I wait for MOdo and continue to use Wings or C4D for my box modeling needs... I prefer to render in Carrara over all others, but never, and I mean never do I model in Carrara Studio 2, and... not only would I like to change this, but... I would just love to see Carrara finally being the app I have always thought it should be... :D