first of i think djeser should be applauded for opening this can of worms as it seems to me that everybody has strong views on it and wants to voice their opinions i reckon its the easy option to be dismissive about this and a formula should be worked out to prevent it rendero has become a nice part of my life and i wouldnt like to quit here just because some dimwit messes with the rankings and gives me hell by instant messaging me and making me uncomfortable but i would no problem...the reason being is i came here to share my art with fellow artists and to make friends ..who cares if we rank each others work accordingly..as someone pointed out the real art soon gets noticed by the masses and a position of respect to that artist is maintained.. what would happen if all the great artists got the hump and moved on because of these dimwits..we'd be in a mess then wouldnt we..i reckon a lot of good points have been made in this discussion wabes for one and flycatchers for another and as for rick shoop yes i'm sorry he's gone i liked his art and will miss him..i have no solutions to the problems the mods here at rendero must face in times like these but at least you know how i feel as an artist...i just hope things get back to normal pretty damn quick...(davy)