Nish you hit the nail on the head. BTW I have not left you still see me posting here right? I just pulled my gallery to eliminate any more ammunition to be use against me. I have some new work in the brew as I speak. The point has been made I think and I too love this place as I have said many times. I also feel somewhat responsible that this poor sick person followed me in here. It put all my friends at risk. Gebe Guitta is one cool lady and she knows how I feel about her. :O) In fact everyone in our community I consider almost like family. I would bend over backwards to help any of you. I am not the best at Vue nor am I the worst. But it was at least 2 years here before I posted a scene at all, and only the encouragement of this group that pushed me further and believe me I have a long way to go. Vue is one of the most in depth 3D programs I have discovered. I read the book then threw it down and started pushing the envelope further. Trying my best to bend the program to my will and dreams of scenes that come into my mind. When an artist has done a pure Vue image I take a long look. I do love some of the post work that is done but for me to conquer this program solely is my intent. To have a young sick person do the things he has done to me is shameful for him. But to be honest, sure it bugs me but I never quit I always endure the lessons life has given me. Some times you have to shake the bottle to make the insides settle smoothly. I have learned much here today in this discussion and it only adds to my feeling of brother and sisterhood to you all. I know, I know I said I would not bring it up again. But just like with my work you great people spur me forward and onward. Thank you. Yours, `shoop PS: I am sure CB or CB1 or NormaJean or any of the other ids he has is watching and I sure hope he realizes Richie or John or what ever you call your self in the real world, did not get away with anything this time. If you continue to try at least with these good folks this is what happens. So take notes.