I agree with you insofar as it is wrong to try and impose a standard world unit on anyone. * Which is absolutely not what I am saying. Standards are very useful, individually, and for Poser users the establishment of a standard interpretation would be a major boon. What is not useful is competing standards, at now I am seriously beginning to wonder at the metality at work here. First off, Poser (since P3) does have a standard scale: 96 inches equals one Poser unit. This was officially established by MetaCreations and Curious Labs in reverting to this scale conversion in P5 has demonstrated that it remains so. And of course the people making these decisions will have included Larry Weinberg. The conversion factors in the first relase of Poser 5 were incorrect, but we now understand (see Post 22) that this was an error, and also exactly how and why the error has recurred throughout Poser's development (i.e. the wrong assumption that the 0.6975 "average figure height" definition equated to six foot). However, in SR1 the conversion was changed to the official value, even though the fix itself is buggy (you have to reset the conversion factors in the General Preferences menu to get the correct conversions). One important point is that while so much was (apparently) untested in the initial release, when it came to making the fix an assessment and investigation would undoubtedly have been necessary to justify the effort of including the change. Therefore, we must assume that the 96 inch scale has been deemed to be the correct standard by either Larry Weinberg, or whoever was delegated the authority to make that decision. Before anyone tries the muddy the waters with examples about the mutability of the Poser universe or existentialist arguments regarding the "relative" meaning of measuring units, please understand that the whole point of establishing a "standard" system in the first instance is to establish a common language, system of metrics and understanding between users, at least within certain well defined constraints. Errors have been made in the past, and if you actually take time to read my post (22) Ian you will realise that my ephiphany was not the result of some realising some awe inspiring truth regarding the "meaning" of Poser units, but was in realising why errors (including your own) have consistently cropped up in applying the standard in peripheral areas of code. What does not serve the Poser community well is people peddling their own alternative and conflicting standards for their own purposes. And what I am beginning to sense is that pride rather than common sense is the main motive here. To reiterate, since Poser 3, the scale established by MetaCreations and retained by Curious Labs has been, and has never varied from one Poser Unit equals 96 inches. It's very, simple and easy for Poser users to understand and apply consistently. So why are Ian Porter, Dr Geep and others having so much trouble accepting it? Looking back at the initial threads for both Dr Geep and Ian Porter its clear that both were in fact unaware of the existence of an official interpretation of scale and that both believed they were performing a service to the community by calculating it through alternative means. Not withstanding the amount of time and effort that went into both of these presentations, the fact of the matter is that both were demonstrably incorrect. And to clarify that, not incorrect because of any "specific" meaning of Poser units but because both Ian and the Doctor initially presented their findings as being the "official" Poser values (see the title of this thread for an example). Now, I am being hard on Ian, because he has demonstrated a lot of willingness to acknowledge alternatives. But sadly I cannot say the same for Dr Geep. Dr Geep has recently been flooding the Forum with multiple threads "demonstrating" how complex and changeable the idea of scale in Poser is, and how much of a boon his clear tutorials are in helping novice both novice and experienced users wend their through this morass. This is all utter rubbish. Poser scale is easy and has been consistently 96 inches equals one unit since Poser 3. The sole purpose, I suspect, of Dr Geeps exercise has simply between nothing more than a childish attempt to muddy the waters and use his influence to confuse and baffle readers, rather than simply stating (which he could have done some days ago) that his initial assumption that the Poser Scale was a hundered inches per unit was wrong. Bill

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