Thanks on the wings! They are a modified form of Thornework's universal wings available as a freebie on DAZ. I use the dragion fly texture and bump map. Thorneworks just has a pair of planes for the wing's geometry. I wanted to be able to bend them more easily so I used Amapi to make a mesh in the exact shape of the wings. (Amapi will let you put a picture in the drawing plane to trace over; LH has taht as a plugin for CS2.1, don't know if it is a CS3 feature.) It wasn't perfect, had to stretch the textures a little to fit but worked pretty well. Of course, after all that, I haven't curled the wings much but, hey, it's possibel, darn it ;) Marc PS If you want to see some ugly wings, check out the WIP link at the top. I started off with some fancier wings from DAZ (not free) but I don't care for the look in the scene...