I give up... Finally we have someone who is willing to teach us non-modelers how to make props in Poser 4. If it wasn't for Geep we all wouldn't have learned to create brick patios (with planters), sliding glass doors, master posers Group tool, and so much more... He's lifting us up - why do you need to put him down? WE WANT HIM HERE - FLOODING THE FORUM WITH INFORMATION! SHEEESH!!!