see this is what im talking about this was rendered in 3D Studio Max.. How would you acheive this in vue? See I dont think its possible but with some creative minds we may be able to get close.. Buy making some sort of filters or doing something out of the ordinary.. We may some how be able to revolutionize(spelling) vue lighting instead of just saying its fine the way it is.. We as people need to evolve and so does software.. If vue wont do it for you then someone with the creativity and patience may be able to do it.. Im not trying to sound cocky, im not trying to be bullish as some one put it.. Im just trying to get a few people to work with me on a project to help other vue'ers. Didnt know this would cause a scene.. If so sorry i'll keep trying myself. Teamwork is just that a Team more than one..