Well put. And that's one of the things I love about this site; that we are a "safe place" for people to play and and enjoy and share and not feel pressured about whether they are "good enough." On the other hand, this is the Art Theory forum; almost by definition the place where people who want to learn and improve hang out. Although this isn't the first thread that has become meta-theory instead; debating whether a critical aesthetic is even important to many of the artists we are discussing. But, to follow that thought further....if the first assumption is that no critical process is needed or wanted, then no other discussion is possible. The only reason to have a thread at all is if we take the base assumption that criticism has a place! I accept that there are those who are fulfilling their needs in ways in which I can not help...those who are satisfied and do not need to learn, for instance, or those whose muse is so powerful or so culturally remote from mine I can have little point of contact. My belief is that a large number of the people on this site DO have a classical western viewpoint; a need for constant self-improvement, a desire to learn (and to teach), a respect for methadologies based on observation and logic. And since we have a language and tools to help them, it seems rather silly to ignore their presence and go chasing after someone to whom our discussion is of no relevance.