I tried find, it's not in my comp anywhere. I did empty the recycle bin :( and I did do a restore. Finnally I tried hp instant support and they said "I am sorry to say once the file has been removed from the Recycle Bin the associated entries are removed from your Hard drive. It is not possible to restore the file now." Oh well not much I can do......back to the drawing board :( "sulking away now"