See those look real.. Not kinda real cause you used some high quality textures. No disrespect meant to anyone. See thats photo realism in my eyes. Its all about the lighting. In real life lighting doesnt reflect or distribute like vue does. Thats its flaw. I again am not complaining cause I dont have the money to buy a 3700 dollar program. All I was saying is lets get a few of renderositys top vue image makers and set forth a mission to somehow create a way in vue to give others a tool to work with. I never wanted a contest, or thought of offering it.. I dont know where this keeps coming from. I just wanted to assemble a team of hard working, dedicated, vue creators to try and solve one of vues downfalls.