I see,this is almost a kind of philosophical discussion now.Very interresting.You brought nice examples,althought the beetle does not look real at all to me.I think, the question is ,which kind of photorealism should be achived: the reality of a 18 by 24 inch Kamera or the reality of a 24 by 36 mm Kamera.Or should it be the reality of a human eye?All images shown here are more or less an interpretation of "photorealism",filtered through the eye of the artist. I think it is a good idea to push Vue to it's limits,like you're planning. Btw:my suitcase is not a finished scene.I took it as a detail from a complex scene as an example for modelling. Another thing:you don't have to spend 3700 bucks to get a high end programm,take a look at Cinema it's much cheaper if you get the XL-bundle (including HDRI and GI ):) But ok,we're in the Vue forum here...:) cheers rollmops.

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