Hmm ... what an interesting thread , what is photorealism.... is it what we see, or what we want to see.. So ibanezcollector , is the last pictures you have posted realistic pictures ??? No even if they look real... I take your pictures : 1. the airplane This is a very good meshe but most of the textures are photographic. The background is a photo, OK it seems to be real. But what's the difference with a full photo ?? 2. The beetle car. I heve never seen a car in such a situation. It stand in a plain gray 'room' and we can see reflection of buildings on it ??? 3. The guitar I have a friend who plays guitar. He owns a real stratocaster. It is much more dirty than the picture you have posted ... where is reality ?? 4. The candels How many candels have you seen in your life, ok it is like in a photographer studio.... This is not real.... even if it is photorealistic. ... it is a composition 5. The 'balls' Even in the most skilled photographer's dreams, such a picture would be really impossible... what fkond of perfect windows to create such reflections ??? Ok .... may be you misunderstand somethings.... what kind of picture do you want to create ??? and what kind of tool do you choose ... One thing more... in the pictures you have posted : no plants, no buildings, no characters .... and ... what kind of postworks where used .... ? If what you want to render is a sports car in a plain grey ground... try Lightwave or 3DSMax.... it is possible with Vue, but I agree with you, Vue is not the most suitable tool ... And yes it would be a great challenge to render a car on a plain gray ground with Vue ... Cheers Patrick