Yeah, I like this thread too... Ibanez, you have used some spectacular examples to show what you mean. I however am of the impression that no mater how good you are with Vue, the sort of look your attempting is not possible! Now let me put into perspective whats 'not possible' about it, before everyone starts disagreeing with me... Radiosity is a BIG issue with the sort of pic you want to make. Vue isn't capable, and therfore will NOT yeild the same result. Can it be faked? I dunno, I'm pretty impressed with Rokol's attempt at it, and sure i feel that Vue is capable of phenominal work, but that aside can this be done? I'm glad you bought this up, and I for one am willing to help, and challenge myself with it also. We may not get to where we want, but I think we will have fun trying. Count me in. Email: kutteruk@yahoo.co.uk Kutter. Oh by the way... The model can be anything! it doesn't have to be complicated... look at the balls and candles pics! I think we should throw some examples of models in here to see what we can find. Then all pick the same model and see what we can do with it :) One other thing... I'm real busy at the moment and can't throw a lot of time at it, but I come to the forum everyday, so keep me up to date...