Don't worry Lawndart. Rest assured I will remain silent when the bleeding (or bleating) starts. Hey, if you are one of the blindly loyal or somehow avoided the blood bath, I'm happy for you - really. But if you are to find fault with my stating my opinion for what the future holds, you must equally condemn anyone who praises a product that they don't yet own either. I loved P4 and made many investments in hardware based on the promises of what P5 didn't deliver and further was insulted over and over on user error and system configuration claims despite having been in the field for 20 years. (Oh well. Those same enhancements were applied to Lightwave.) If it wasn't a colossal disaster, Cooper and crew would still be there. Don't put your head in the sand and pretend it didn't happen. Don't tell me I shouldn't be concerned about fronting funds and beta testing for free without even being offered fresh install CD's as compensation at a time where a class action lawsuit could have easily erased CL from the planet. I'm sure the new crew is working hard. Harder than they have to had we not been abandoned while trying to help. With the competition of Daz Studio looming, I really hope it kicks them in the butt to get their act together. If not, this will be the Daz forum. I just think the MAC users shouldn't get burned like the INTEL users did by all the hype and High-fives.