Oooh Shoop :) You posted as I was typing... Great pic bud, the Red ball looks better than the other two, but its an excellent attempt. I agree with you about perception, and I think that something like this can and will bring people together. Ideas will clash, but ultimately I think we can all learn a lot. Lets not have a 'contest' so to speak, lets just have a common place where we can come, show and tell what we've been up to ... I want to learn, and Renderosity is the best place on the net. Lets pool our resources and get this thing going :) Just need a common model so we can all be working from the same spot :) Kutter