Thanks for the tips on conformers, I haven't got into making conformers yet, but it's on my list of things to do. I have a rather diffrent philosophy on tabs and spaces, I find that a library file that uses spaces comes out signnificantly bigger, for example the default Posette weighs in at abuut 1,587KB on a diet of tabs, but if you let her eat spaces she's 2,247KB, thats a diffrence of 660KB, much too fat in my opinion. P.S. Any of you conforming experts know why Posette will not conform properly to Posette, even zeroed and with the inkyChain's removed?