BTW, Phil, allow me to state I'm not trying to prove you wrong or anything. Believe me, I'd like nothing more than for you to be right at the moment (even though UI'm done with the modelling of this leg almost). It's just that with my technique, for which well over 30% of the polygons don't even exist at the start, I can't imagine a way to get UVW co-ordinates in there. Generating UVW co-ordinates with the loft won't generate accurate ones. I'd go into a long dissertation/explanation of how my modelling technique works, but that would really be getting OT from Poser and would belong in the Max or Modelling forum. But yes, if there were a way to UVMap accurately beforehand, I'd be all for it and I'd have already applied it.