I think another point I should make is that it can be tough to judge the quality of the plugin based on the quality of my renders. I, frankly, stink! :) For a fair comparison, here is the Poser 5 firefly render of the same scene, with raytraced shadows. And yeah, Aleks, I see what you mean by the shadows bit. I have always had a bit of trouble with the lighting in Max. It is much brighter than the same light set in Poser, and I think it just washes the shadows out.