Mmm this subject needs a reply. I dont get Realism, seems to be a magic word lately. Im moderator on a large Photoshop board and believe it or not, Ive seen so many people trying to make lifeless realistic objects; glass balls, cell phones, calculators, cars, etc Even a coffee machine! Same story here in this thread about realism, cars, planes, suitcases and whatever. I was originally born in Holland, land of masters like Vermeer, Rembrandt, van Gogh, Jan Steen, Frans Hals, Karel Appel, etc. Did they go for nothing but realism? No. Did anyone ask themselves why? Theres a lot more to it than just creating realism. An image needs to have a soul or heart, maybe a reflection of an idea or emotion. People who dont understand this will never learn what art is really about. Ask yourself why certain photographs have such an impact on the viewer. Is it because of the realism? No. If someone ever achieves to render 3 perfect balls on a pool table, does that make him an artist? No. Dont get me wrong, theres nothing wrong with realism, as long as its used to make a beautiful and impressive image thats like a modern version of a painting of one of the real masters of this and previous centuries and not just a perfect render. Three perfect balls cant compete with one of the best images of Thomas Krahn or Pmermino (to name just a few good Vue artists); they know what art is all about! Btw, I also dont understand why someone who can buy a computer and Vue dEsprit, isnt able to save money for a program like Cinema 4D 8 that sells for less than $595 and save himself a lot of headaches in Vue dEsprit, because thats like using MS Paint instead of Photoshop, with all respect for Vue dEsprit which is a great program, but you have to open your eyes for its limitations. Everyone also has to ask himself when hes not a top #D artist whether its worth to spend weeks and weeks on one scene, especially if you also have something like family life. Of course, its not up to me to decide what anyone does with his spare time; Im only defending the wives and kids ;) I didnt want to offend anyone. Im only trying to defend what art should be all about and I do understand that theres nothing wrong with trying to create something realistic in Vue, but please, dont forget the real meaning of art, because it would only make me sad