its not an ultimate goal but it is a tool in the 3D toolbox.. This wasnt about making a scene, artwork, or even anything it was about trying to mess with vue to get some sort of edge on lighting.. With out having to spend 600-4000 dollars on software.. I dont see the big deal why everyone is in a hub bub over this.. If you were say an artist would you limit yourself to one brush, one medium, one style? No then why do it with this program.. Its all about options and doing things from the normal.. Some of todays great artists say Salvadore Dali for instance did some whacky stuff in his day, that Im sure people said was stupid or weird or just plain goofy.. But to others Dali was inspirational, astounding, etc etc.. If you dont want realism then carry on as you were.. If you do then try to change the way normal people think of vue.. Thats what im trying to do. Not create masterpieces for an art museum.. This is a challenge to me.. It stimulates my brain.. It helps me furtur understand the progam and its nuances. It helps me get a better idea of lighting. It helps me learn more about materials and the way they react with lighting. It makes me learn how light reflects off of non reflective objects. Etc Etc.. All things a great artist should know.. So in fact im learning more than just slapping some objects into a scene and pushing render. Even a newbie will eventually come out with a good one that way.. Yes it may sound arrogant but in time I will learn more than just using vue and never exploring its boundaries.. Ibanezcollector