Problem is that Bryce for Mac is no more and Terragen is on the horizon (well its sort of here actually), which is happening a lot. Mac users now have Safari but soon wont have Explorer, and Apple is offering trade ins of old versions of Premier for new versions of Final Cut Pro. Except that in this same environment CL has released a Mac version of Poser 5, not that theres a Mac only application that can do the same thing, unless P5OSX is really Poser 6, even so Curious Labs deserve credit for their patience and diligence (and thick skin). True FCP is a clear favourite over the Premier but not sure if the other two examples have closed the gap. duanemoody - yes, lets