Ok, Smallspace I hope you didn't disappear again! :-) You have no idea that how sad I am that I couldn't find those pictures from my experiment. I'd been enjoying this thread. I'm posting this picture, which isn't the final version. Sadly enough my 9hr of render (last night) crashed after it was done! :( Anyway, this picture has volumetric atmosphere and sun directly behind the camera. I implied the 3 point lighting settings. Sun gives very soft light, 17 lights does the work. In the final version I applied DOF and worked on the shadow and reflection a lot. Which is lacking in this pre-finished version. Now, the question you asked about the Volumetric atmosphere ... I don't know whether my impression of it would make much sense to an artist of your caliber; but here goes anyhow. I found DOF comes very good in Volumetric atmosphere, I got better result of it in Vol. Atmos. then regular atmosphere. And the rest is just simply pain! :-) Bill, thanks for the advice. Already ordered it last night; hoping may be someday I'll get a better critique from Smallspace! :-)