Devil's advocate time, for a moment. To be fair, there's a lot of attitude in the 3D forums that comments should only be of praise, for fear of hurting feelings. Criticism isn't the problem -- the trouble is often in how it's delivered. But even constructive criticism gets jumped all over by some sensitive folks. I don't even comment on something unless it's damned near perfect, now. I used to offer a lot of constructive feedback, until one person got really touchy about not getting a completely glowing commendation (for some folks, there can be a language / cultural barrier which I understand, but this wasn't the case). He then proceeded to delete his whole gallery in indignation, post in the forums about how visious I was (now that no one could read the comment for themselves) and stir up a lynch mob, one member of which proceeded to hack my website, post personal info on the www, subscribe me to piles of SPAM lists, etc (I've since clarified things with this person). That was one of the reasons why I'd left the 3D forums for about 2 years. And honestly, the comment was something along the lines of "This is good and that's good, but the elbow needs a little post work, and then you'll have a great pic." So please don't misunderstand my attitude toward ThunderShark. While I haven't embraced him as a critic, I also haven't concluded that he's a troll. It's purely "wait and see," and (knowing that I don't know everything and have lots of room to grow) I don't mind constructive criticism in the least. Constructive feedback does more for us in the long run than praise. > Saying "Poser doesn't handle lighting well" is no excuse. Fair enough. I said it to offer context moreso than an excuse (P4 is a terrible hindrance to good light -- I can remember having to do about eight different renders and then blend all the layers on one image, just to get the shadows right). Those who've commented on this are right, though -- it doesn't matter where the fault lies. Take care; Chas