TigerShark opened this issue on Aug 10, 2003 ยท 133 posts
bijouchat posted Mon, 11 August 2003 at 10:20 AM
Attached Link: http://www.derm.med.ed.ac.uk/teaching/redhairgen.htm
You're not up to date on the research. The Hittites predate the Greeks and Romans by a long shot, their civilisation went down with the end of the Bronze age, no longer existed during Classical Greece, it was contemporary with the Mycaneans, Minoans, and Bronze Age Egypt. They spoke an Indo-european language. They were the main competitor with Egypt, the 'other' superpower, if you will. Ramses II even took a wife from a Hittite king, and the Hittites were already in decline during Ramses II. Some Turks are very fair skinned, depending on where they are from, there's even a Turkish family in my very town that you couldn't tell from Germans until they start speaking Turkish. People from the Black Sea area are rather fair. So, your comment is still not accurate. Redhaired people existed in Egypt, fair skinned people existed in Egypt long before the Greeks and Romans, Ramses II's hair even tested to be red and naturally wavy. This predates the Greco-Roman age by a long shot, and you still see fairer people living in countries such as Morocco, where the population is 40 percent Berber (the original population) Genetic testing of mummies show that the people of Lower Egypt share more in common with their y chromosome markers with other Mediterreanean peoples than they do with people from subsaharan Africa. Makes sense, as all these peoples were maritime cultures and traded often, it makes sense they intermingled too. Redhaired people evolved somewhere around 50,000 years ago, and most likely, the trait evolved in Africa first. It is a genetic "defect" to have red hair, a redhaired person is lighter skinned than other family members without red hair, as most redheads lack the ability to produce eumelanin, which causes the black/brown colouration in the skin (depending on whether they got a double dose of the gene or not, will influence how strong the lack of eumelanin is, the red hair and freckles are caused by the phaeomelanin, which is red and is still produced by a redhead). So red haired people do not necessarily have to be Europeans, even though they have lighter skin. It is simply a melanin mutation. Syrians have always been portrayed as white in Egyptian art, the Syrians also predated the Greco-Roman culture, this was also in the Bronze age. Berbers STILL live in lower Egypt, and many of them have Caucasian features and lighter hair, some even with blue and hazel eyes, though they have intermixed considerably with the Arab population by now... they are not originally Arabs, they do not speak a Semitic language either. (remember, the Hyksos invaded after the Old Kingdom...) There have even been redhaired mummies found in western China. Read up... those Scythian tribes got around, with horses. Where do you think everyone miraculously got horses from, an animal native to the steppes of Asia? They didn't run to the Sahara in the Bronze age on their own power. on the other hand, black people also existed in Egypt the entire time, and there were a few obviously black dynasties as well, even during the Old Kingdom, where the blossoming of the civilisation was closer to the Sudan than to the Mediterreanean, in Upper Egypt. Though most of the pharoahs were obviously Semitic in origin, not all of them were, Ancient Egypt totally lacked our modern hangups on race and was most certainly a multi-ethnic society. Now, if you are going to critique a picture, do it on the technical problems you see, not whether some figure fits your racial stereotype of what an Egyptian should 'look' like to you. An Egyptian, even from the Old Kingdom, could have been white, brown, or black, as it was then, as it is NOW, a multi-racial and multi-ethnic society.