lingrif...sounds just like me.... I've just moved the damn things out of the VUE area....I doubt I'll ever use Bryce anyway...since they appear to plunging into never never land, besides I love The VUE interface, much easier to understand. LMAO, I've only opened Bryce 1x & that was it..thank God it was cheap. I have enough textures anyway to accomplish almost anything, so the ? ones are useless. I have learned how to create a material in Vue, so I'm patting myself right now LOL ;) Back to tut's. Thanks for being so patient....My patience are already gone as you can tell :)