"untill they make good on the promise they made for Poser5, "A new application built fromt he ground up", I think it's time to look elsewhere" I don't think they ever will. Hell, they won't even touch the core to fix easy glitches, let alone rebuild the thing. That angers me, that and all the glitz added to 5 with no substance. But what angers me the most are the lies and deception preceding the release. I was hoping for better treatment from the new team but they still won't come out and be open about any updates to the actual program; they just ignore all questions about it. This behavior doesn't bode well for their future; you can't keep treating your customers like idiots, they don't like it. And they can't just keep adding more glitz to a faulty, old program...P5 is proof of that. Many have found out the added weight crashes the program; others will find out as they work more with it. Some will never find out because they don't use it to those extents but there aren't enough of those to keep CL in business, IMO. I've said it before and I'll say it again: Poser and CL are alive today only because they have no competition. But it's coming, so CL is going to have to actually DO something with the core, either hire someone who can rebuild it, sell it off, or dump it altogether. DISCLAIMER: All of this, of course, is just my opinion.